Sunday, May 16, 2010

The Heat Is On!

No, we don't mean the Kansas heat. We don't mean the furnace either. Ciara pulled a fast one yesterday. She is in HEAT - huh??? She is only five months old. Mom found the telltale evidence on the laundry room floor right outside her crate yesterday afternoon. The vet had Mom bring her up right away because it was just 20 minutes from closing time. She wanted to be sure it wasn't some other issue going on. But nope, little Miss Puppypants has outgrown her pants. Those of you who suggested this might be coming on when Phantom was licking her mouth all over may have been on to something.

Ciara was scheduled to be spayed on May 27th, but now that will have to wait a couple of months. So let the fun begin. Both Phantom and Thunder are neutered and so far have not shown much interest other than a bit of sniffing. But the Momster is keeping close tabs on them to be sure they don't start any male wars here. She is well aware of the need to keep her on leash when she is outside. We sure don't need to see her in a family way at this young age.

The Momster has a couple of questions for those of you who are more experienced with this dilemma. So we will let her take over for this post.

OP Pack Mom here. I purchased a pair of protection pants last night but they might be a bit small. So I am going to return them for the next size today. But the little dickens figured out how to get them off. I can keep her confined to the kitchen area where there is only hardwood flooring and just keep washing it. But I would really prefer to have her in some pants. Any suggestions for what worked best for you if you have ever dealt with a female in heat? This is a very new experience for me.

Secondly, Ciara just started her obedience class training last Wednesday. It was the first of a six week program. I have emailed the trainer to let her know what is going on. There are six dogs in total in the class, one other five month old, and the others are all adult dogs. However, I do not know if they are male or female, neutered or not. My feeling is to stop taking her to the class so that she doesn't disrupt the class. The trainer said it is up to me, that distractions will always be there and it is her job to help the others keep their dog focused. In my opinion, if I were one of the others, I would not be too happy if Ciara were in the class. Any thoughts? I can re-enroll her in the next session or get my money back. It would most likely be at least late July before we could start classes again.

So yes, the heat is on. In addition to some incredibly busy times here, I so did not need this. Wish us luck.

Woos, the OP Pack and Mom


Sam said...

Our little girl is growing up! Isn't 5 months a little young for a first heat? I guess it has been a while since I've had a female dog!


3 doxies said...

You could just cut 2 holes out of a Wal-mart bag..slipp it on her butt, then wrap her up in duck tape.
Sorry, we ain't got no advice. I am da furst female doxie mum has evers had and I had my female parts ripped out befores a heat could come on. I can't believe Her has alreeady gone into heat so early.
As fur da training, I would prolly just go with what your gut tells you.

Samantha said...

Ho boy (I mean womandog!)- you do have your hands full. Ironically, just only heard about puppy pants yesterday! Have no experience with this, but will check back to see what others have to say. Some dilemma... Mayhap sign her up for the next round of obedience if you can't find out about the others' thoughts and dog genders. 5 mos. in heat? Wow, such an advanced pupper!
Wish I could help out with a tip or two.
Hugs xoxoxo

The Thundering Herd said...

I was not going to say it the other day because I did not want to curse you, but Nikita - my first Sibe - went into heat around 5 months. Young but everything is possible.

Sorry that I do not have advice. Other than Nikita, all of the other females were spayed before they got here or before they went into heat.

Martha and Bailey said...

Oh little Ciara, she seems so young.
Sorry we are not much help with the practical issues.
Martha was at the end of her season when we got her so we had to wait to have her spayed.
We just tried to keep her away from dogs!
Strangely we did see Bailey getting very interested which confused us - probably Bailey too!
Good luck

♥I am Holly♥ said...

Oh my goodness! Little Miss Puppypants is in heat!! I don't have any experience in taking care of a doggie in heat although I know you better be really careful with her around any other dogs! The couple I got Holly from had a Cocker Spaniel..male...who they hadn't had neutered yet and they took in the rescued dog never even thinking for a second that she was in heat...eleven puppies later. I think I'd check out the classmates first and make sure!! Lots of love!! Debbie and Holly

Tom, Tama-Chan, Sei-Chan, Yuu-Chan and Bibi-Chan said...

I also went into heat for the first time at 5 months and #1 was not amused, although the issues are not exactly the same for us kitties...

We know a young Boxer girl who wears those pants. We think they look truly awful....


JD and Max said...

Oh Miss Ciara, you are all woman now eh?! Gosh, you are growing up fast...

Our FH doesn't have any suggestions or tips we're afraid, she's never had to deal with anything like this, us boys are kinda easier eh?!

Well, good luck and we're sure you'll get a lot of great tips from the blogosphere.

Schnauzer snuggles - JD and Max.

The Rocky Creek Scotties said...

WoW! so young - when we are in heat and Mom doesn't want to breed us we wear little boy's underwear with our tail stuck through the fly. On heavy flow days, Mom puts a mini pad in them - works fairly well, but it wouldn't keep us from getting them off if we wanted too. Someone is always in the crate during this time and we are never allowed outside except to do our business and then right back in. One of Mom's breeder friends told her that two of her dogs got stuck together through the chain link fence and then about 2 months later, here came the puppies. You sure don't want that to happen at this young age.

You can tell if she will stand for a male by touching the end of her tail - if she flags it to the side then she is receptive. If she doesn't do that, chances are she would fight off a male dog.

Please email us with any direct questions.

Lilly, Piper, Carrleigh, Ruairi and Becky

The Rocky Creek Scotties said...

One more thing - Mom says she would reschedule that class.

Frankie Furter said...

Ummmmm I'm thinkin' that us guys shouldn't be readin' this stuffs.
I do remember when I was taking my classes at the University of PetSmart and Intranational Stuffie Distributorship... there was a girrrl dawg that ... Well she got all upset and so did one of my classmates. I think they got expelled or else transferred to The Community College.
I guess it all DEPENDS !!!

BeadedTail said...

Uh oh, little Ciara is growing up too fast! We don't have experience with dogs in heat cause Sadie was spayed before leaving the humane society at 2 months old. As for the class, if Ciara can focus isn't it okay if she attends and you both just stay in the back or something? As the trainer said, distractions will always be there for the other dogs.

Ginger Jasper said...

Oh no you have got your hands full. Mum says she was lucky enough to get her spaniel spayed before she came on heat but thinks you will have your hands very full. Sorry not to be of any help. all mums cats were all done as soon as it was possible too so no help at all.. Good luck.

Love the expression in that picture. Husg GJ x

The Two Country Poodles said...

Oh my Ciara. We too would suggest going with a later class. Other than that we have no suggestions as per pants. I was spayed before momma got me.

Wags and Licks,
Mollie Jo & Bobo

Martine said...

Rocky creek scotties to the advice rescue!!!

We wish you luck.... Not thAt this is very much related but captain figured out how to get his wraps off too... It's a constant chase!

Twix said...

Yes, it is early, but we aren't cardboard cutouts! I told momma it wouldn't be long when I saw how Phantom was treating her ;o)
We have no advice at all. Mom got me spayed at about 5 mo so as to prevent any trouble. My neighbor dog was beginning to become very interrested in me and I went straight to the vet. Good luck!

doyle and mollie said...

oh dear, wee mollie did the same thing!!

Jake of Florida said...

This is way way out of our comfort zone -- but we just wanted to send you some comforting woofs from two neutered boyz who think Ciara is a beautiful "woman/girl."

Wirey love,

Jake and Just Harry

Biloxi and Siber-sibs said...

Biloxi's mom here.
I don't really have suggestions other than really keep an eye on the boys or even crate them when you are not around. Even if they are neutered, that won't stop them. I have had that happen to me already. Female in heat, neutered male and they got "stuck" together.

I would also go with the later classes. Better safe than sorry.

Biloxi sends husky kisses to y'all.

Gus said...

HMMMM..seens like I remember when Muzzer bought those cute panties for Teka toy...Teka learned to take them off pretty fast. And I ate them! Well, not completely, but ya know....Muzzer ended up buying some kind of thing for hooman pups to keep Teka and the house clean, and we used athletic tape to keep them on (I think that is what it is called, it doesn't stick to skin or furs, only to itself, so you make the first layer tight, and it can be re-used if you take it off carefully.)

Teka was early too..about 5 months like Ciara, and she has been a bi$#h ever since.


note from Muzzer: Pampers, or the Wal-mart equivalent there-of. And Teka took the 3-6 month size, but it took some guessing. Fortunately, the clerks at Wal-mart told me I could return them if I got the wrong size and only took one out of the package...I got it right on the second package.

wonder what happened to the partial packages????

Toby- The dog with a blog said...

Oh boy - have fun!

Dennis the Vizsla said...

Wow, she's an early bloomer huh? We have no ideas about this sort of thing but we're sure plenty of other people will!

Abby said...

Hi, You Guys...

We think Ciara is growing up way too fast...

Mom says she thinks she would re-schedule the class...

Abby xxxooo

Maggie and Mitch said...

Wow! It sounds like you've got your hands full! We wish your mom LOTS of luck!

Love ya lots
Maggie and Mitch

Liffey said...

Goodness me- she sure is growing up fast.
Liffeys licks to you all XXX

AFSS said...

Boy is our Mom glad she has never had to deal with that. Our vet usually recommends spaying & neutering at 3 months. We just did get to Artemisia in time though, she was already 6 months old when we got her. So the poor thing came lived with us Saturday and Monday went to the vet for "the works".

AFSS said...

OH, Mom says she would wait till Ciara is spayed for classes. If they are like the classes Fenris took their will be some off leash work and well, we thinks Ciara might attract the boys a little too much.

Stella said...

I have only had one female in heat before and it was many years ago. But I would postpone the class, just some hassle you don't need right now. Rocky Springs seem to have some really good ideas.

Good Luck! and too soon!

Cheers and hugs,

Jo and Stella

Huffle Mawson said...

Oh Ciara. Poor little thing, she's much too young to deal with grown up stuff like this! I would be rescheduling her classes, just in case. Sounds to me like the Rocky Creek Scotties have the best advice.

Kira The BeaWootiful said...

Woooos! Little Ciara is a bitch now....bol.... Mum says humans bring there females in heat all of the time to obedience school here, It can be quiet entertaining training the male dogs, but it is a good experience for them too. Scampi is a nightmare Mum says around females in heat, she can't get him to focus on anything. Good luck with the boys!
~husky kisses~
-Kira The BeaWootiful

Kira The BeaWootiful said...

Pee Ess Woo-
Mom says do not wait fur training unless woo are able to do a lot yourself, these are crucial months for puppies in training!

Khyra The Siberian Husky And Sometimes Her Mom said...

Well, we did mention dukht tape yesterday ;-)

Mom told The Doggy Nanny about woo too - she rekhalled that Brother Steve's Gretchen wore boxer shorts 'til Steve khould get her in to be 're-paired'

We want to thank woo fur the Miami Vice earworm too!


Ms. ~K said...

I suspected as much...
She was acting like an over-sexed teenager. ;)
Hope all goes well during these next few weeks.
Hugs and belly rubs to all,
Kit and Pups

PS...I vote for rescheduling ob. class.

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Honey the Great Dane said...

Oh dear - what bad timing! 5 months does seem to be very early - especially for a large breed - I always thought the bigger the dog, the later the first season!

I have to dmit - about the Obedience class, I would be selfish and thinking for my own dog, before the others. If the trainer is happy for you to continue taking her (and this is already very rare - most trainers would not allow it which is why I think in this situation I would take advantage of it. After all, what she says is correct - all dogs will need to learn to do their training under 'real-life' distractions) - then I would keep taking Cirara because I personally feel that during this formative time in her life, getting the foundation training in is more important. Waiting to redo it again later may also be fine but she might be more into canine adolescence (she seems to be maturing early as it is!) which is already a hard time with the dog challenging boundaries, developing independence, etc, so I would personally want to get as much foundation training in as possible before that happens. I know that's very selfish - it's really looking at my own benefit rather than caring about how much it might affect other people. But sometimes, I feel you have to be a bit selfish in life. Of course, if the trainer had expressed concerns about bringing her to class, then I would respect that but in this case, since she is happy to deal with it, I would take advantage of that.

Anyway, that's just my view.

best wishes,

rjha1e said...

I just got off the phone to the vet that I go to for the big things, and she said that it isnt unual for a female to go into heat at 5 months.

down here they wont spay till 5-6 months because the risks of something going wrong with the anisthetic are lower. so i will have to wait till then to get Zara done. thank goodness for Pet Insurance otherwise it would cost me $260+

Ciara no going and getting puppies!

Princess Eva and Brice said...

Poor OP Pack mom!

Like others have mentioned = boys underwear and be aware that neutered boys can still "tie" which would be very traumatic for all involved.

Good luck!

Princess Eva & Bricey

Tanuki Maxx said...

Lots of luck MOM!
Sure have your hands full!


Cheyenne -Millie said...

Oh Dear! We hope it all works out! Hmmm! It is a hard decision! To take her to class or not to. It would be a problem if the boys in class aren't neutered.

PS: We had little Reye Spayed this past week.

Mr Koda MD said...

OMD I don't know anything about womansworks but I am sure glad that I don't have to wear pants!

Best of luck!


Huskee and Hershey said...

Ummm.. our mom would like to share with you her experience because Hershey isn't spayed and we have already gone through 3 heats (does that make our mom a 'heat expert'??). Wow 5 months is pretty early for Miss Ciara to 'grow up'!!

This is sorta embarrassing but here goes: We use disposable undies and cut a hole for the floofy tail to come through. We stick a **cough**human panty liner**cough** as well and so far it's worked pretty well. We are expecting heat #4 to come anyday now..

When Hershey is in heat, we normally don't take her out to where we know there will be other doggies... there's too much at risk and we don't want to be blamed for starting a fight! (We also do not intend to have mini-versions of the black and white terror).

Hope this helps.. and good luck. Hope the heat doesn't last too long...

Anya said...

We wish you MANY luck :)))

Many Hugs & Love for all
from Kareltje =^.^=

elljay88 said...

We used Pull-up training pants and just cut a hole for the tail with our dog - worked just fine :)

Ruby and Penny said...

Oh Ciara. You are a little lady now.
Love Ruby & Penny
Pees - in one of Ruby's classes, a dog showed up in heat. She caused a lot of commotion and was asked not to come back for awhile.

Mack said...

You're a lady now! I see floofy girlie panties in your near future!


Mack and Mia said...

Oh Gosh! We don't have any advice since we never had to experience that type of thing.

We wish you much luck though!!

Wags and Woofs,
Mack and Mia

YD, sometimes with ♥Samantha and ♥June said...

Look at our little Ciara all grown up now! Poor OP Pack's mom. We don't really have any advise for you. Mom said Samantha was spayed before she went in heat and June came to us already spayed.
Good luck.

Sam & June

One of the pack said...

Heat? Ugh! Gosh the huskies are such devils. We can't even keep a bandage on any of ours.

I'd wait on obedience only because you never know who will be around who isn't fixed. Good answer by your trainer re: distractions. That's exactly correct. We like what we're hearing.

Ahhhh they grow up so fast. She's a cutie for sure! Good luck.

Sagira said...

Oh no...she is just a baby! I don't know much about that stuff, never had a dog in heat, but hope you are able to get the answers you were looking for. EEK!

Joe Stains said...

holy cow! keep that girl under wraps, the boys will be running to your door!! BOL

Sallie said...

I wish I had advice but I just don't know. Good luck!

Ruby's Raiser said...

We have no advice in this area -- Kiva was a shelter pup spayed at 8 weeks and Ruby was spayed before any hint of going into heat. I think I would probably just reschedule class, you can still work on cues and practice at home.

the booker man said...

my mama says she doesn't have any experience with this, but she would wait for the next obedience class for sures. maybe poor miss ciara just needs to get used to the puppy pants? i'm sure it feels weirdo to have them on at first.
the booker man

Siku Marie, White Dog said...

Little Miss Ciara or should I say Lolita, right now is going to be a major distraction for boyz everywhere. Group training might be best left for a future date, but others are right this is a crucial time for Ciara. Are private lessons or just basic work at home viable? Thunder and Phantom may totally ignore Ciara but find lots of reasons to push each others buttons so expect some dominance issues. As for pants, how about human toddler training pants? Snug enough that she won't get out of them as easily as men's boxers but still easy to put on. Just some thoughts.

Sierra Rose said...

Woah! Interesting developments here :) Bitches britches..if there is such a brand, has been used in our family.
Would stop just might get too wild.
Will go back and read the other comments now! Five months...I think SR had her little op at 6 or 7 mo, but seemed to be a late bloomer.
Keep us posted for sure!!

Hugs and snaggle-tooth kisses,
Sierra Rose

Snowie Baby said...

5 months is really early!!
all the best to yr mommy and hope she wont get too busy..
we dont know how to help cos we have not met with this kinda situation before, but i hope u find a solution soon!!

Rambo said...

OMD! Panty liners, girly pants, pull-ups, pads, Ciara a bitch?????
What the heck are you all barking about????
Is this girl talk?? Hmmm.
Dog I am glad I am a boy......


Cheryl, Indiana, Shingo and Molly said...

Good luck! She sure did start early!!

Woofs and Kisses!
The Fiesty Three

Mayzie said...

Ohmidogness! Little Ciara is growing up fast! I can't helps you on the pants thing cuz, well, the other peoples I lived with before I got rescued didn't put ANYthing on me and that's how I became a teenage momma. I'm glad you're keeping a close eye on Ciara to keeps her from having to go through THAT!

My mom says she would drop out of the class if it was her. She thinks you would be much more comfy if you went back after all this is in the past and it won't be so distracting to the other doggies.

Happy Cheezeday!

Wiggles & Wags,

ScrapsofMe said...

The only ones I have found that stay put on Bonnie are made by Simple Solution and I get them at Petco. They fit the best, they are completely lined and washable.
They have velcro straps that meet across the back and a small tail hole. We had some plastic lined ones originally but the tail hole was so big, it was useless. We use a panty liner in the Simple Solutions dog panty. It's denim with a soft plaid lining. Anything else I've tried, she is able to pull it off.

An attractive side bonus is when she decides to mark her territory you don't end up with pee all over the place, and she will be marking EVERYWHERE. Since she's a bigger dog, you might want to use a Poise pad as I'm sure her bladder holds more than a Scottie.

Good luck!

Bonnie the wee Scottie

ScrapsofMe said...

Ok, I looked it up online and the real name is Simple Solution Washable Diapers. They might be marketed under Pupsters logo.


ScrapsofMe said...

Well, dang, if that's the kind she has, whip out the duct tape and give her a new sticky belt on top of the velcro all the way around her middle.


Asta said...

Phantom , Thundew and Ciawa

I wish you could have been hewe to visit me too all you bootiful floofy tailed fwiends.
I can't believe little Ciawa is a gwownup giwl aweady sheesh..time gowes too fast.
I wish I could help wif advice , but we'we ignowant about that
we love you
smoochie kisses

Cloud the Wonder Dog said...

Aw, they grow up so fast...
We don't have anything to add, since mom has always had boy dogs for some reason. But it looks like you've gotten some great advice!

Cloud and his mom

Deborah said...

WOW, good luck is right. I would take her out of class just incase there is a big dog fight over her. Your little girl is growing up! She is so cute!
Thank you for noticing my blog was deleted. I have no idea what happened...but thank you again.

Tomushka said...

wow, i am very surprised, she is just 5 month old.

Hopefully everything gonna be fine with her and other male dogs.

Best regards

Mochi and Mommy said...

We're sorry that we have no suggestions, but I am mom's first pup. Good luck!


Steve, Kat, & Wilbur said...

It sounds like Ciara is bringing "puppy antics" to a whole new level! We don't have one bit of experience to help you out, but Mom says that she feels bad for your mom with all your nice furniture and white carpet!


Life With Dogs said...

This happened to us with Sola, and I do not envy you. You have my sympathy!

Sunny,Scooter(sometimes Jamie) said...

I am behind, and looks like duct tape is working, but if still a problem, I have one that ties(like shoestrings). Why they stopped making them I will NEVER know. If you would like, you can email me your address and I will send them to you.
Absolutely I agree with removing her from OB class in her, uh, delicate condition. lol
Jamie and Sunny&Scooter

the texas sun dog at g mail dot com

Sunny,Scooter(sometimes Jamie) said...


Sunny,Scooter(sometimes Jamie) said...

I sent "test" because blogger said error when I tried to comment. I am behind, but I have the kind that tie on the sides(like shoestrings) WHY they do not make them anymore is beyound me. I will be happy to send them to you.
My email is
the texas sun dog at g mail dot com
if you want to send the address.
won't say much in case I get error again arrrggh